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Ocsi88



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PostPosted: 2011-05-09 15:51:36    Post subject: AMD65 Reply with quote

Hello everyone who play inf yet! Smile

Wikipedia aticle
"AMD-65 (Hungarian: Automata Módosított Deszant[fegyver] 1965; Automatic Modified Landing Assault [weapon]) is a Hungarian-manufactured variant of the venerable AKM rifle for use by that nation's armored infantry and paratrooper ("descent") units."

I'm making it based on the infmod_akm.

I want to modify (almost) every move, because i don't want the exactly same animations. Smile

I don't know how can i put the gun to a .u file (i didn't find a useful guild)... Crying or Very sad

Who want to be a tester (and a helper)? Smile

Here some pix with crappy textures:

NEW PICTURE!

Now it looks like itself. Smile


The old pictures:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_KR5rkXe-Qtg/TcgMuQrbEJI/AAAAAAAAABI/95A5Y-kp3YQ/amd65_model.jpg
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_KR5rkXe-Qtg/TcgMuea_shI/AAAAAAAAABM/sh4pSEHjdHA/amd65_model3.jpg
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_KR5rkXe-Qtg/TcgMuVOix4I/AAAAAAAAABE/_6q2r89bIIM/amd65_model2.jpg
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PostPosted: 2011-05-09 16:13:18    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, AK clones how I love thee!
Is that the AMD65?
I would gladly volunteer to test it out! More weapons = More fun!
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PostPosted: 2011-05-09 16:59:53    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depending on which program you use, this thread might be of help: http://forums.beyondunreal.com/showthread.php?t=195502

You could try to ask Inigo, since he is the last modeler in Inf I know of - actually he some kind of unversal genius since he's also a texturer and programmer. M60, SCAR and P90 USG are his works AFAIK.
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PostPosted: 2011-05-11 19:32:42    Post subject: Reply with quote

I added the vertical foregrip and did some correcting around the triggerguard.
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PostPosted: 2011-05-12 20:27:02    Post subject: Reply with quote

The animations are almost done. Smile
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PostPosted: 2011-05-13 04:45:55    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks nice Smile

I hope this will find its way into Inf anytime soon.
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PostPosted: 2011-05-13 12:25:52    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snakeye wrote:
Looks nice Smile
I hope this will find its way into Inf anytime soon.


Thanks! Smile It will look nicer. Wink

I hope i will can put it to inf. Smile
(that's the easiest part, but not for me Very Happy)
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PostPosted: 2011-05-16 18:03:14    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yes....finally Razz MOAR AK`S Razz
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PostPosted: 2011-05-17 20:53:28    Post subject: Reply with quote

The animations are completed, and a did some coding. Smile

Here are the cahnged values:

Code:
BaseKick=250.000000
SideKick=0.1500000
Weight=2.920000
RoundsPerMin=600.000000


Code:
WeaponLengthAim=(X=31.750000)
WeaponLengthHip=(X=23.750000)


Code:
Bulk=14
ItemName="AMD65 Assault Rifle"
ItemCategory=4
MiscInfo1="Capacity: 30 rounds"
MiscInfo2="Caliber: 7.62mm x 39"
MiscInfo3="Barrel Length: 317 mm (12.5 inches)"
MiscInfo4="Made in Hungary"


Code:
speed=35000.000000

(i just rounded up the muzzle velocity Smile )
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PostPosted: 2011-05-18 15:37:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ocsi88 wrote:


ItemCategory=4


Doesn't it have to be category 5 if it's an Assault Rifle?
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PostPosted: 2011-05-18 18:52:03    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darkslide wrote:

Doesn't it have to be category 5 if it's an Assault Rifle?


It doesn't have GL or bayonett attachment, it has short barrel, and i want to switch to it with the button 4, because that's practical for me. Smile
So a want it as a replacment for the AKMSU.

Is "AMD65 sub-machinegun" better? Smile
I dont know what is it exactly in English. Sad

In the official manual they call it "géppisztoly" ('machine pistol' in hu.), but it isn't correct in Hungary. It's a machinecarbine here.

These are the Hungarian categories:
géppisztoly (machine pistol): ......... Uses pistol cartrige and full auto.
gépkarabely ("machinecarbine"): ... Uses (mid-long) carbine cartrige and full auto. (like 7.62x39, 5.56 nato)
géppuska ("machinerifle"): ............. Uses rifle cartrige and full auto. (like 7.62 nato)

What are the English and German categories?

Btw, would you make a promo video with me, when the gun is usable in inf? Smile
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PostPosted: 2011-05-18 23:24:16    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ocsi88 wrote:
Darkslide wrote:

Doesn't it have to be category 5 if it's an Assault Rifle?


It doesn't have GL or bayonett attachment, it has short barrel, and i want to switch to it with the button 4, because that's practical for me. Smile
So a want it as a replacment for the AKMSU.

Is "AMD65 sub-machinegun" better? Smile
I dont know what is it exactly in English. Sad


Sorry, I didn't want to come off as a grammar nazi here. I was just curious. Nevermind about the category, as long as I can play it soon! Very Happy


Ocsi88 wrote:
These are the Hungarian categories:
géppisztoly (machine pistol): ......... Uses pistol cartrige and full auto.
gépkarabely ("machinecarbine"): ... Uses (mid-long) carbine cartrige and full auto. (like 7.62x39, 5.56 nato)
géppuska ("machinerifle"): ............. Uses rifle cartrige and full auto. (like 7.62 nato)

What are the English and German categories?


Géppisztoly = "Sub Machine Gun" or "SMG" in English. And "Maschinenpistole" in German. For example: MP5, UZI, UMP.

Gépkarabely = "Assault Rifle" in English and "Sturmgewehr" in German. For example: M16, FNC, M4.

Géppuska =" Machine Gun" or "MG" in English and in German "Maschinengewehr" or "MG". For example: MG42, M60, M249.

Ocsi88 wrote:
Btw, would you make a promo video with me, when the gun is usable in inf? Smile

Would I? Embarassed I'd feel honored to! Just tell me when you're ready to go!
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PostPosted: 2011-05-19 17:17:19    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you was right, but there is a lot of things in the category 5 in INF. o.O
(btw it's name is "automatic rifles" Smile )

And what is the G3(A3)? Sturmgewehr or Maschinengewehr?

Btw, the Hungarian category of supporting(machine?) guns (like mg42) is "golyószóró" ("bulletspreader"), as i know. How optimist name, right? Very Happy

I think the sidekick will 0.30. that's the original value of the akm's and most of the ARs have that value in INF.

HK416 doesn't have much sidekick with 175 basekick.

I thinking about the bulk value... It cant be 14.7. Very Happy
Maybe 15 will be better... (?)
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PostPosted: 2011-05-19 17:55:31    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ocsi88 wrote:


And what is the G3(A3)? Sturmgewehr or Maschinengewehr?

It's a Sturmgewehr/Assault Rifle
Ocsi88 wrote:

Btw, the Hungarian category of supporting(machine?) guns (like mg42) is "golyószóró" ("bulletspreader"), as i know. How optimist name, right? Very Happy


I'd guess supporting machine gun would be right. But I'd imagine they would be the heavier types of Machine Guns like the .50cal or something similiar.
Ocsi88 wrote:

I think the sidekick will 0.30. that's the original value of the akm's and most of the ARs have that value in INF.

HK416 doesn't have much sidekick with 175 basekick.

I thinking about the bulk value... It cant be 14.7. Very Happy
Maybe 15 will be better... (?)


Yeah, we gotta keep in mind that the AMD65 is chambered in 7,62x39mm. The M4 and HK416 are chambered in 5,56x45mm so they don't have as much recoil as the AMD65 or AK-47.
A Bulk of 15 would be good I guess.
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PostPosted: 2011-05-20 05:32:22    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since we already entered the grammar/semantics nazi realms, I'm going to comment too Mr. Green
Darkslide wrote:
Ocsi88 wrote:

And what is the G3(A3)? Sturmgewehr or Maschinengewehr

It's a Sturmgewehr/Assault Rifle

Korrekt for the German part, but in English (especially Amercian English) the G3 is considered a battle rifle - i.e. a fully automatic infantry weapon, chambered for a full-size round, but not a support weapon (i.e. not capable of sustained fully automatic fire). An assault rifle is the same only chambered for intermediate cartridges (7.92x33, 7.62x39, 5.45x39, 5.56x45...). Interestingly there isn't such a distinction in the German language.


Darkslide wrote:
Ocsi88 wrote:

Btw, the Hungarian category of supporting(machine?) guns (like mg42) is "golyószóró" ("bulletspreader"), as i know. How optimist name, right? Very Happy

I'd guess supporting machine gun would be right. But I'd imagine they would be the heavier types of Machine Guns like the .50cal or something similiar.

MG42 and the like are usually referred to as GPMG (general purpose machine guns); those are machine guns which can be used for pretty much anything, i.e. carried by a soldier, mounted on a tripod, mounted on a vehicle or aircraft.


Ocsi88 wrote:
I think the sidekick will 0.30. that's the original value of the akm's and most of the ARs have that value in INF.

HK416 doesn't have much sidekick with 175 basekick.

I thinking about the bulk value... It cant be 14.7. Very Happy
Maybe 15 will be better... (?)

From what I wikipediad the AMD-65 is about the same weight (and length) as you standard AKM, but does have a distinctly shorter barrel, as such I'd suggest to keep the bulk at AKM level (as bulk is supposed to be a combination of weight and lenght/height/width (i.e. volume?). Although the folding stock could account for a reduction of bulk if you fold it when unequipping - scientists may differ if this appropriate or not.

As for recoil, while wikipedia didn't offer any insights on the AMD-65s muzzle velocity, I assume the shorter barrel would lead to a lower muzzle velocity; combined with the weight at AKM level and perhaps even using the front grip as argument you could set the recoil values slightly lower than the AKMs. Note that the Base- and Sidekick are affected by the kickmultiplier IIRC.

I really hope we'll see this one soon - BTW you can sign me up as beta-tester if you still need one.
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