Another Infiltration Forum

[EGM<P>]

if the game would be very realistic, we would be very dead by now

[Stinkmarder]

[Snakeye]

Okay, I've played a lot yesterday and had time to sleep over the events, and here's how I see what changed and what didn't using the new bulk settings.

What's changed? I got killed 33% of the times in Solo because of my lack of backup - granted at three deaths that's not an overly significant statistic, but luckily EGM joined shortly enough after me for some scout/sniper fun. The situation that got me killed was exactly the kind why I carried a secondary - two Skaarj (one was unexpected) rushing me with a half empty FAL mag, the FAL ran dry after downing the first and I switched to my M9 getting off 5 rounds before dieing a horribe and painful death. Even counting that switching to the Uzi I used to carry with my FAL takes a tad longer than QAing to the M9 it would easily have been sufficient time to empty half of the Uzis 32rd mag into that Skaarj scumbag - but you don't hear me not complaining. After all I'm pretty used to dieing, so a few more times won't hurt.

Once people joined it was pretty straightforward COOP - as I'm used to it since I started. I never ran dry (big chance of it when I carry 15 30rd mags..). I carry less nades - 2 M67s and 0 M18s. I mean, yeah, M18s are good to show people the way, but at the cost of a few mags? Not for me Sir. Guess I'll get used to saying: "We took the door where the red smoke would have been.".

When I think of it there was one more change: Alo kept making snide remarks on TS - now that guy should have become a comedian, if he isn't already. The rest remained pretty much the same. We moved around together, we shot Skaarj and Krall (I even managed to spare a few rounds to hunt rabbits ) and after enough of the hardcore tac players joined they switched to COOP1 - to be honest I too think teams exceeding 6-7 people don't play well on COOP. But the point is, since the tac hardcores were on the other server anyway - would you even have noticed anyone playing rambo style on COOP2?

Don't get me wrong, I suppose the above may read like one big whine of a frustrated guy - which it isn't, since my gameplay changed little enough; my point is and remains that you can play hardcore tac without forcing the new bulk system on non-hardcore tacs AND you still can rush and piss off the hardcore tac group with your M60 and go rambo with the current settings (please don't ask me to prove this, first because I dislike using MGs and second because I don't like to hamper other peoples game..).

Oh, I also missed Crazy and Firebird - I hope I see you guys today or tomorrow .
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[Psychomorph]

[Snakeye]

[Crazy_Karnickel]

[Psychomorph]

I would like to see some compromises to fix the bulk thing. My suggestion would be some items to be of zero bulk value, while others not.
The first primary weapon, the first pistol and two hand grenades having zero bulk, while other additional weapons, pistols & grenades and ammunition are all of appropriate bulk value.

I also would like to have an auto stamina charge feature. That means no matter how low your health and stamina is, hitting the sprint key will let you move at 100% sprint speed for the first 2 - 3 seconds, after which you get back to the appropriate sprint speed, you could do that only one or two times, after which you need to wait some time untill that feature is usable again.

[Biene_Maja]

@Psycho: This feature seems not to be realistic to me. (Ausnahme: es dauert dafür länger sich auszuruhen für volle Stamina und nicht Knopf drücken, fertig. Oder soll das Feature die Einnahme eines Aufputschmittels simulieren?) Sorry for german but I can't translate this! Perhaps someone could do it for me?

The climbing mutator is more realistic in my opinion.

[Psychomorph]

In real life you can take all your remaining energy and run faster for few seconds, even if you're totally tired, in INF you're like bound to the ground, I find that unrealistic.
Of course, if your stamina, or health is close to zero, than this should not be possible, but beeing tired (30% stamina) is no reason not to be able to make a very short sprint (maybe not full speed, but still).

[Biene_Maja]

okay, in reality I would throw my stuff and jump then...

I understand your explanation. You want say in real life adrenalin (own or token) will give you enough power for a moment. I'm right?

[Psychomorph]

Somewhat similar, but generally if you are tired and still have some ressources of energy, you can use it, for a short time, but you do.

I know how I do it when I am jogging, after about an hour of jogging I'm plain dead tired, but I accelerate to a sprint the last 50 meters, I am tired as hell, but I have enough power to give my last best, I might be not as fast as when I start fully fit, but I am hell of fast, after that I'm drained, but after a short break I can focus enough energy to do another sprint again (I use to do the interval jog/sprint thing often).

Of course, total fatigue, near collapse is where you are simply off, that is simulated in INF by an almost empty or non present stamina bar, but as long you have about 30% stamina, you should be able to do a short sprint and after a break another one and another one and another.
If you do enough resting in real life and in INF, your stamina "bar" refills and you repeat the actions, only difference is, that in real life you can not recover fully in few minutes, your energy level goes down constantly untill you need to rest for hours, while in INF you can get your 100% back (if not injured), but that's another story.

[Biene_Maja]

Okay, but the mutator should have a limit of health. It's not realistic that you can make a big jump when you're heavy wounded. You know want I mean? With a heavy damage you possibly can leave the danger zone but not so fast like undamaged.
It seems not realistic to me when you have 1 - 5 health points and make a jump over 3 metres...

[Psychomorph]

Yes. Slightly lower health and stamina should not be a problem, but if health and/or stamina is almost near end, than of course, you can not jump.


Generally in real life things are more flexible, while in INF they often are static. I would define two aspects of stamina, Intuitive and Intentional.

Intuitive
Your movement speed adjusts automatically to your state of fitness as it feels comfortable. That is the case in INF (the less stamina, the slower you move, conserving the last energy you have, it just should last much longer in INF than it does now).

Intentional
Even if it is comfortable to jog slower when tired, you still can start jogging faster (I would do it in INF by returning to the fastest jog speed when holding the "movement button").
You would lose stamina faster and you would drop to the "intuitive jog" after few seconds, but fact is you could use that action whenever you see fit (a tactical option).

The same applies to the sprint, but since the sprint is a hold button action only, the full pace sprint would be used always automatically, which shouldn't be a problem, since you use the sprint only if you really need to sprint and the automatical drop to the "intuitive sprint" would prevent "total fatigue" anyway.
That way you would have much better chances to escape that incoming rocket, or that grenade to your feet even if youre tired, as you would do in real life (if you are not close to collapse).

If you have about 10% stamina left and/or have low health, than you are close to "total fatigue", which not only has slow movement speed in total, but also removes the ability to use the "intentional movement", as it does in real life.

[Psychomorph]

Stinkmarders TODO list

- Climbing mutator
- Flashlight fix
...

[Biene_Maja]

- GPS-Mutator for female players...

What's wrong with the flashlight??